LJ announces Facebook Connect
Wednesday, September 1st, 2010 09:05 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
charmianhttp://news.livejournal.com/129190.html
Most of the controversy is over the way comments on other people's locked posts can be posted to Twitter/Facebook, thus revealing the URL. So far, also, LJ is not really explaining if they intend to change any policies regarding this. (Also, the / character is broken in tags, but this was not intentional and is slated to be fixed).
Most of the controversy is over the way comments on other people's locked posts can be posted to Twitter/Facebook, thus revealing the URL. So far, also, LJ is not really explaining if they intend to change any policies regarding this. (Also, the / character is broken in tags, but this was not intentional and is slated to be fixed).
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Date: 2010-09-01 09:45 pm (UTC)Not saying whether anything's right or wrong here
Date: 2010-09-02 05:52 pm (UTC)Interesting one, that. Livejournal is suggesting that the commentator is the ultimate owner of their comment, and has the right to over-ride the journal owner. As has been discussed previously, Dreamwidth's approach is the exact opposite: the journal owner is entitled to do whatever they like with comments made to their journal, including re-posting them elsewhere.
Both of these approaches are unilateral, they make it easy for one contributor to achieve a particular goal, seen as desirable by the relevant siteowners, without particularly caring about informed consent from the other participant.
Livejournal's goal is to promote itself to the Facebook and Tw*tter universes, which it does by exposing comments to any post, regardless of security settings. The original post may be private, but the commentator now has the right to make their comment very public, and to distribute it out of context.
The "You don't have access to this post" may actually be a positive benefit in limited circumstances, saying that there's *something* interesting behind this closed door, and if the visitor signs up to Livejournal, they may get access to it. In Russia, where Livejournal is used as a broadcast medium. It's possible that the general approach is to accept any and all friend requests. That's not so different from some celebrities on Facebook.
Hypothesising wildly, I wonder if this is a particular cultural difference that didn't cross the radar at LJHQ, or wasn't seen as tremendously important by SUP. Or if it's something that the advisory panel (RIP) would have pointed out in ten seconds flat as being liable to cause Major Kicking-off.
Re: Not saying whether anything's right or wrong here
Date: 2010-09-03 05:03 am (UTC)I think LiveJournal came fully down on that side of the argument when they made the change to allow a user to delete all of their comments, everywhere, when they delete their account.
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Date: 2010-09-02 01:38 am (UTC)Got some replies on Twitter agreeing with me, which given the formatting was awful is interesting, as it meant they'd followed the link and read my whole comment.
Which means, for me, it's a good thing, as I'm not posting much but I am responding a lot, and if people want to read my thoughts on topics, they can go read my replies many of which could easily be brief posts.
So it's not a terrible idea, but needs getting used to.
Terrible implementation of UI though, three extra tab presses to submit, and unclear implementation.
Plus the Facebook login page, as of this afternoon my time, had a chunk of Lorem Ipsum text where the instructions should be. But, apart from a browser timeout, nicely implemented there. Really should have actually submitted that one to Suggestions here awhileback, discussed doing it, forgot, now LJs done it, and actually done it fairly well, which is nice.
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Date: 2010-09-02 02:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-02 02:18 am (UTC)I have a screenshot of the Lorem Ipsum, I thought I'd do a 'how to' post so went through the whole thing.
Then got distracted playing FreeCol. Again. But still, easy mistake to make, but releasing a live login page for a new feature and not putting the actual instructions there shows zero user testing.
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Date: 2010-09-02 02:25 am (UTC)I'll PM you to let you know, though.
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Date: 2010-09-02 02:25 am (UTC)Wow, I wonder what their designers are thinking then. -_- That's rather... basic.
It seems also now you can convert an openID or FB identity account into an LJ acc, which is nice.
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Date: 2010-09-02 02:30 am (UTC)And yes, account conversion is live, but it appears to direct you to a new account signup page, I din't go further than that today, I guess I should dig out an old OpenID account and see what happens.
If it allows you to continue logging in with OpenID for a full account, that could be a killer feature to attract FBers and similar who want more, but if it requires separate passwords then it won't be as effetive.
I'll try it after work tomorrow.
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Date: 2010-09-02 02:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-09-02 02:43 am (UTC)Nice idea, especially when travelling, login to preferred site, tell the other sites to just check I'm logged in there, sorted. Could lead to some weird chains though.
5000+ comments, and all because LJ didn't think before doing something that's a net good if they fix the issues. I despair of that company, I really do.
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